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Senators and club leaders clashed last Sunday over chartering a new campus club. ...

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Mackenzie

posted 3/26/08 @ 12:52 AM EST

I don't understand why the term "Palestine" is objected and "Palestinian people" is suggested. I'm pretty sure it is documented (yes, Brooks...historically) that a nation Palestine exists. I think the term PALESTINE should be in bold caps because not only does it exist, it is represented on this campus and supported. Maybe, Brooks, if you actually inquired about what the groups agenda would be, then you wouldn't have to assume they were anti-Israeli and accuse them blindly of hating and wanting to bring "death to Israel and America". But Brooks over here seems like he is all for believing blind, tyrannical, biased, inhumane BULLSHIT.

acuracy

posted 3/28/08 @ 12:57 AM EST

[QUOTE id="d119e558-6153-4941-8e1e-48ede8f156a7"]I don't understand why the term "Palestine" is objected and "Palestinian people" is suggested. I'm pretty sure it is documented (yes, Brooks...historically) that a nation Palestine exists.

No, actually a Palestinian people (ethnic group, community whatever) exists. There is and never has been a COUNTRY / nation / state called Palestine, and while I am certainly in support of there being one, it is currently a historical reality that there is no such county as "Palestine". So lets all chill out and be accurate with our language.

Mackenzie

posted 3/28/08 @ 1:07 AM EST

Originally posted by

Mackenzie

I don't understand why the term "Palestine" is objected and "Palestinian people" is suggested. I'm pretty sure it is documented (yes, Brooks...historically) that a nation Palestine exists. I think the term PALESTINE should be in bold caps because not only does it exist, it is represented on this campus and supported. Maybe, Brooks, if you actually inquired about what the groups agenda would be, then you wouldn't have to assume they were anti-Israeli and accuse them blindly of hating and wanting to bring "death to Israel and America". But Brooks over here seems like he is all for believing blind, tyrannical, biased, inhumane BULLSHIT.


How were a people born and labeled and associated with a land ect...without it being there? I don't understand. How are there Palestinians and no Palestine? do explain.

That said...

posted 3/27/08 @ 10:42 AM EST

...it's tough to argue that a club is "going to give weight to both sides" when its called "Brandeis Students for Justice and Peace in Palestine." In fact, one might argue it's a little biased, no? There aren't any clubs on campus called "Brandeis Students Against Terrorism in Israel." This sounds like the lack of quality control that went the Jimmy Carter love-fest that both Shouster and Hanniya did in Palestine over the winter break. If only the Student Union was as vigorous in chartering this club as they were against permitting American flags on campus...

Mackenzie

posted 3/27/08 @ 11:56 AM EST

Originally posted by

That said...

...it's tough to argue that a club is "going to give weight to both sides" when its called "Brandeis Students for Justice and Peace in Palestine." In fact, one might argue it's a little biased, no? There aren't any clubs on campus called "Brandeis Students Against Terrorism in Israel." This sounds like the lack of quality control that went the Jimmy Carter love-fest that both Shouster and Hanniya did in Palestine over the winter break. If only the Student Union was as vigorous in chartering this club as they were against permitting American flags on campus...


Honestly, I don't really know what the uproar about the name of the club is. Maybe there SHOULD be a club named "Brandeis Students Against Terrorism in Israel"...but I guess someone would have to found that. The truth is, people have interests and they made a club about that interest. If you're not interested in it...don't join. Go bitch about something YOU'RE interested in rather than something YOU'RE NOT interested in and stop wasting energy. Why don't you make a club "Brandeis Students Against Other Brandeis Students for Justice and Peace in Palestine"? I'd actually like to join the Jimmy Carter love-fest because I think it would be a unique, amazing experience to visit the West Bank. Do I know anything about or particularly "love" Jimmy Carter? no. But maybe I'd learn something. And if you have any sort of problem with the Student Union, why don't you join and CHANGE it instead of, once again, BITCHING. Especially about American flags...

Mamoon Darwish

posted 3/27/08 @ 1:21 PM EST

Mr. Brooks,

"Most people who use that word use it as a reference to a nation that exists, and that's just historically false, there isn't a nation that exists,"

I'm not going to lower myself to your degrading level. You certainly know nothing about history. Go get your resources right, because you just make yourself look like a fool. You are claiming that Palestine is not a country. The country is not a set of borders drawn on a map. It is the PEOPLE, and as long as the people EXIST and LIVE on it, it'll always be. Anyway, the Palestinian people do not need anyone to tell them that their country exists or does not. This club is called 'Brandeis students for Justice and peace in Palestine' it's not called 'Palestine Exists!' We don't need to say that and we're not supposed to argue with anyone about this anymore, please don't. So for everyone who thinks that Palestine does not exist, we don't care what you think, it won't change the reality, it's just stupid.


Mamoon Darwish

uuuh, dictionary?

posted 3/28/08 @ 12:53 AM EST

Originally posted by

Mamoon Darwish

Mr. Brooks,

"Most people who use that word use it as a reference to a nation that exists, and that's just historically false, there isn't a nation that exists,"

I'm not going to lower myself to your degrading level. You certainly know nothing about history. Go get your resources right, because you just make yourself look like a fool. You are claiming that Palestine is not a country. The country is not a set of borders drawn on a map. It is the PEOPLE, and as long as the people EXIST and LIVE on it, it'll always be. Anyway, the Palestinian people do not need anyone to tell them that their country exists or does not. This club is called 'Brandeis students for Justice and peace in Palestine' it's not called 'Palestine Exists!' We don't need to say that and we're not supposed to argue with anyone about this anymore, please don't. So for everyone who thinks that Palestine does not exist, we don't care what you think, it won't change the reality, it's just stupid.


Mamoon Darwish


Uuuuum . .. actually, a country is a set of boarders drawn on a map, along with an internationally recognized government and some other things. What you are describing is a palestinian people, not country, which is exactly Brooks point . . .

Mackenzie

posted 3/28/08 @ 1:02 AM EST

Originally posted by

Mamoon Darwish

Mr. Brooks,

"Most people who use that word use it as a reference to a nation that exists, and that's just historically false, there isn't a nation that exists,"

I'm not going to lower myself to your degrading level. You certainly know nothing about history. Go get your resources right, because you just make yourself look like a fool. You are claiming that Palestine is not a country. The country is not a set of borders drawn on a map. It is the PEOPLE, and as long as the people EXIST and LIVE on it, it'll always be. Anyway, the Palestinian people do not need anyone to tell them that their country exists or does not. This club is called 'Brandeis students for Justice and peace in Palestine' it's not called 'Palestine Exists!' We don't need to say that and we're not supposed to argue with anyone about this anymore, please don't. So for everyone who thinks that Palestine does not exist, we don't care what you think, it won't change the reality, it's just stupid.


Mamoon Darwish


actually...Palestine is an occupied territory, but it WAS an "official" nation(if you want to get technical) and USED to be labeled on maps as well. SO "historically" it is not false that Palestine was an existing nation, however, if he would have used the argument that it is not on maps TODAY..then he could say the word Palestine shouldn't be used. It's not really fair that the territory keeps shrinking so it doesn't have "defined" borders. But again...I don't see the relevance of this...at all.

TattedandCrazy

posted 8/21/09 @ 5:06 PM EST

Well maybe you need a higher education, oh wait you ruined that at 3:30am on 21August2009. Oh wait your intelligence that you have obtained made you: commit the crimes that you committed. Not very intelligent if you ask me. Kent university did what for you? Made you ignorant. Brandeis university did what for you? Made you stupid. I hope you have learned something from me now. I think I have taught you more then any university has. Your Welcome, Friend with the Jeep Cherokee

Against terrorism in Israel too

posted 3/27/08 @ 3:45 PM EST

I am planning on being an active member in this new club-
Brandeis students for Justice in Palestine. A big part of why I am doing that is because I am against and I hate terrorism against Israel- saying Palestine does not mean terrorism!! hoping for justice, educating for dialog -- this is what will bring the terrorism in Israel to stop! establishing this club on campus does not mean it supports terrorism against Israel! lets stop victimizing ourselves and start LISTEN! listen to people who care about an equality who are actually not afraid and threatened by this club- but hope to see fruits of awareness, Palestinian, Israeli and Jewish speakers to come on campus and educate all of us for a better future, I am asking anyone who feels uncomfortable by this club to go and talk to the people who are active in this club, find out what it is all about- if you still feel uncomfortable(which you will not...)then go and do something about it, but please do not block yourself from hearing other perspectives.

Thomas Quasthoff

posted 3/30/08 @ 12:17 AM EST

No nation of Palestine? Goodness me! There wasn't a nation of Kosovo until a few weeks ago; does that mean 'Kosovo'is a myth and the Kosovars are just kidding themselves?

em

posted 3/31/08 @ 11:54 AM EST

Obviously Palestine has existed at some point, even if it's not currently a place recognized by everyone. By saying someone's homeland doesn't exist you're just being rude. The physical land is still there. The culture, houses, streets still exist.

And if someone thinks that the club is going to be biased, they clearly have never spoken with Lisa or Noam. They live in the area that's being discussed and are both extremely intelligent.

Gideon Klionsky

posted 5/08/08 @ 12:16 AM EST

Dear Noah Klinger,

Sorry to blow your cover as Thomas Quasthoff. How long have you been using this pseudonym? It's really quite a clever one. Only don't you think Donald McIntyre was a better baritone, even if he did have real hands?

Gideon

Alan Royals

posted 5/08/08 @ 3:08 AM EST

Originally posted by

Gideon Klionsky

Dear Noah Klinger,

Sorry to blow your cover as Thomas Quasthoff. How long have you been using this pseudonym? It's really quite a clever one. Only don't you think Donald McIntyre was a better baritone, even if he did have real hands?

Gideon


PWNED!

Noah Klinger

posted 5/08/08 @ 11:22 AM EST

PWNED? It's a fucking online comments page. Most of the people don't post under their own names. You'd have to be seriously deluded and seriously idiotic - doubtless both - to believe that all the people using different names are doing so for sinister purposes.

Originally posted by

Gideon Klionsky

Dear Noah Klinger,

Sorry to blow your cover as Thomas Quasthoff. How long have you been using this pseudonym? It's really quite a clever one. Only don't you think Donald McIntyre was a better baritone, even if he did have real hands?

Gideon

Gideon Klionsky

posted 5/08/08 @ 5:18 PM EST

Noah,
Keep insulting my intelligence. It really helps demean the quality of my arguments.

You did try posting under my name on the other article. That's absolutely a "sinister purpose", if not to misattribute thoughts then to defame my identity for the next three years. You've had your time to make some noise on this campus; now that time is over. Leave it to the next generation. I don't know if someone ruined the Brandeis experience for you. Don't ruin it for me.

Good luck in life.
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