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OP-ED: Reinharz, Israel and me

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In October 2006, the Brandeis Middle East Review and the Middle East Forum at Brandeis invited me to speak at the University, and I quickly accepted. The hosts and I selected the date April 23 and the topic ("The Islamization of Europe?"), and everything appeared settled....

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David Sternlight

posted 2/13/07 @ 3:44 PM EST

Many years ago, when I was an undergraduate at MIT, I spent many happy hours on the Brandeis campus. At that time (1950-54) it was a distinguished institution of higher learning and a beacon of clear thinking.

Sadly, Brandeis has, in recent years, disgraced itself among many thinkers and foreign policy specialists in the wider American community. Professor Pipes' summary is succinct and clear; let it only be added that the damage extends far beyond the Brandeis campus; what you do here is seen by the American mainstream, and is not some local matter that can easily be brushed under the rug.

It only remains to thank the Justice and its readers for the courtesy of listening.

David Sternlight, Ph.D.
Los Angeles

jordan

posted 2/13/07 @ 5:29 PM EST

Pipes writes: "I strenuously object to being lumped in with Finkelstein in any fashion whatsoever. Finkelstein denies the Holocaust..." and goes on to attack our university for a litany of muslim-loving acts.

IMO he CAN be lumped with Finkelstein as a polemicist whose paper trail is enough to incite riots on campuses. Finkelstein is under a Jewish Fatwah, while Pipes is under a Muslim one.

When the cold war was over, and the US was trying to conjure up new enemies to keep up the defense budget, Pipes found himself a new perch for an untenured "soviet-ologist," publishing scare articles like "The Muslims are Coming." http://www.danielpipes.org/article/198

He is an avid promoter of "anti-muslimism" who cried wolf at the Oklahoma City Bombings (as reported in Village Voice 5/2/95). So he was going nowhere until 9/11 gave his career new life as an "anti terrorism" expert.

His appointment to the US Institute of Peace was a joke and had to be done by Bush during a congresional recess as he could never be confirmed if some of his polemics were read aloud. http://www.antiwar.com/rep/zogby1.html

He is the head of Campuswatch a website which uses McCarthyite tactics to silence professors of middle east studies on campus, including Brandeis:
http://www.campus-watch.org/survey.php/id/33

Finally, according to Mediatransparency.org, some of his funding comes from the Bradley Foundation, which also sponsors David Horowitz and PNAC (the group which called for a new Pearl Harbor) http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=207

This could mean that Pipe's work in promoting Islamophobia in the US is funded indirectly, because Bradley is no "family" foundation. It is an organ for the kind of domestic brainwashing which was outlawed after the Church Committee hearings in 1979. Bradley was founded with $100m's when Rockwell International overpaid for the acquisition of Allen-Bradley in 1984 (after Rockwell was caught overcharging on military contracts) during a Reagan period where intelligence operations, like Iran-Contra, were being "privatized" to avoid congressional oversight.

My suggestion is that guys like Pipes and Finkelstein be hosted off campus in conference rooms rented at the Newton Marriot.

David Sternlight

posted 2/16/07 @ 4:45 PM EST

Jordan writes:

"IMO he CAN be lumped with Finkelstein as a polemicist whose paper trail is enough to incite riots on campuses. Finkelstein is under a Jewish Fatwah, while Pipes is under a Muslim one."

and more of the same.

Readers should pay close attention to Jordan's tactics. His message is a rewarmed smear typical of those unable to deal with Pipes' irrefutable facts. The truth is that Islamists are afraid to debate Pipes on the merits, since he cleans their clock.

Naturally, an Islamic fatwa is irrelevant to a Jew and thus a meaningless argument with respect to Pipes. In contrast, Finkelstein's ban (Jews don't have Fatwas) by Jewish religious leaders, as a Jew, carries considerable weight, though secularists may think it irrelevant.

The only rational argument presented by Jordan is "a plague on both your houses". Does that suggest to anyone refusing to invite Franklin Roosevelt to campus as an even-handed way of balancing a refusal to invite Hitler?

Jordan also rehashes the old cry of "McCarthyism" against Pipes' professorial rating site. He confuses legitimate criticism of biased academics with suppression of speech. No one suppresses the speech of the academics in question, so it is interesting that attempts to suppress speech of those who disagree with them is so endemic.

Professorial rating, both public and private, has a long and distinguished history and is official policy at many educational institutions. Of course those who support professorial bias when it agrees with their own prejudices are going to scream "foul" when their oxen are gored.

In summary, we still see examples on campuses throughout America, including Brandeis, of those who, when they cry "Power to the people!" actually mean 'Power to me and my friends.'

Finally it must be said that Pipes is a distinguished academic. In contrast, Finkelstein is widely regarded as a nut case. Listening politely. to such people is a valuable exercise in honing one's own critical skills. That, rather than suppression of speech, is what students are here for, is it not?

David Sternlight, Ph.D.
Los Angeles

mlo

posted 2/15/07 @ 5:25 PM EST

"When the cold war was over, and the US was trying to conjure up new enemies to keep up the defense budget, Pipes found himself a new perch for an untenured 'soviet-ologist...'

This individual no doubt considers him/herself well-informed, but clearly isn't. Daniel Pipes' expertise is Islam, he has never been a 'soviet-ologist'(sic). The 'soviet-ologist' is Richard Pipes, Daniel Pipes' father, a tenured, highly esteemed Harvard professor for many years.

Much more is fundamentally wrong too, e.g., a "Jewish Fatwah" on Norman Finkelstein. Muslims were, of course, urged to murder Salman Rushdie by Iran's supreme leader, who was very much in earnest and offered a bounty of $1M to anyone who accomplished it. Who has offered a bounty to kill Finkelstein?

jordan

posted 3/02/07 @ 3:58 PM EST

Originally posted by

mlo

"When the cold war was over, and the US was trying to conjure up new enemies to keep up the defense budget, Pipes found himself a new perch for an untenured 'soviet-ologist...'

Much more is fundamentally wrong too, e.g., a "Jewish Fatwah" on Norman Finkelstein. Muslims were, of course, urged to murder Salman Rushdie by Iran's supreme leader, who was very much in earnest and offered a bounty of $1M to anyone who accomplished it. Who has offered a bounty to kill Finkelstein?


I apologize for my error. You are right that Daniel did his Ph.D. in Medieval Islamic History. He wrote his dissertation on military conscription in the 10th century, clearly a whole millenia of preparation to be the polemical frontman for Islamophobia.

As for the second point, commissioning a hit in the US is illegal so if anyone offered, they would be in jail like Rabbi Neulander. But according to Salon, "Finkelstein has received death threats from fanatics within the Jewish community."
http://dir.salon.com/story/books/int/2000/08/30/finkelstein/index.html

such as this:

From: patron
To: info@normanfinkelstein.com
Subject: (no subject)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:00:18 -0500

You and your family are a truly loathsome set of human beings. The only resurgance of anti-Semitism comes as a result of books like yours, not from attempts to combat your Nazi apologetics. Spare us the crap about your family "survivors"; IF that is really true, perhaps that is one set
that we could have done without as at least you would not have been born. The next time any Jew in the world is physically attacked or killed for being Jewish-whether in Iran, Crown Heights or West Ridge, Chicago- we will hold YOU responsible for inspiring the deed. You had better watch your back, we know where you work, we know where you live
and would be overjoyed to send you to a well-earned and bloody demise.

Shimon Gottschalk

posted 2/16/07 @ 2:15 PM EST

Daniel Pipes should be recognized for who he is, a radical right wing war hawk. He has every right to speak his mind, but should be recognized for who he is. Readers of the Justice should be made aware of this fact. By contrast Jehudah Reinhartz, to his credit,has maintained an environment of free speech at Brandeis. That's what universities are about.
Shimon Gottschalk, Brandeis, class of 1954

Leopold Friedman

posted 2/27/07 @ 8:27 AM EST

After nodding smugly and reflexively with iconic speakers like Kushner and Carter, shouldn't Brandeis hear a word to the contrary, or would it be too disruptive of indoctrination about the evils of Israel and Jews?

It seems that the highest value of all values touted here is "freedom of speech," not humane or just behavior or anything else. If the principle of "freedom of speech" is most important "uber alles," shouldn't Pipes be allowed to speech without the prejudgments of Reinharz and his corporate gang? The debater's term for what's being done by the anti-Pipes voices is "poisoning the well" and this is a term that should also resonate with those who are familiar with Jewish history, which I also studied at Brandeis. I have now become ashamed of the Brandeis name on my Jewish studies degree, but I applaud the Justice publishing Pipes' article .

I think that the continuing accommodation of anti-Israel (subtle or not) up to and including not-so-subtle anti-Jewish sentiment in the name of "freedom of speech" at Brandeis and elsewhere is the latest tactic in the campaign by Muslim and Western leftist antisemites to delegitimize and demonize Jews and Israel. This is a classic antisemitic technique. There seems to be an extension from the outrageous questioning of the facts of the Holocaust -- the damage is in the psychological insinuation, not the questioning of the facts -- to the equally outrageous but far more subtle demonization of Israel and Jews. Certainly, there are humane Muslim voices that should be heard (and humane Jewish ones), but the publicity and audiences seem to be awarded asymmetrically to the antisemites. Should they be left unchallenged?

Monty

posted 2/20/07 @ 12:29 PM EST

:Readers should pay close attention to Jordan's tactics. His message is a rewarmed smear typical of those unable to deal with Pipes' irrefutable facts. The truth is that Islamists are afraid to debate Pipes on the merits, since he cleans their clock."

Critics said the same thing about Carter/Dershowitz, and the success of Carter's visit proves the stupidity of such arguments.

David Sternlight

posted 2/26/07 @ 4:28 AM EST

Originally posted by

Monty

:Readers should pay close attention to Jordan's tactics. His message is a rewarmed smear typical of those unable to deal with Pipes' irrefutable facts. The truth is that Islamists are afraid to debate Pipes on the merits, since he cleans their clock."

Critics said the same thing about Carter/Dershowitz, and the success of Carter's visit proves the stupidity of such arguments.


Carter WAS afraid to debate Dershowitz. Q.E.D.

Monty

posted 2/27/07 @ 8:23 PM EST

[QUOTE]Carter WAS afraid to debate Dershowitz. Q.E.D.[/QUOTE]

No he wasn't, Carter wanted to talk to students. People's ignorance is incredible. We believe only what we want to believe. Did it ever occur to you that Carter wanted to talk about the issues of the book itself, rather than listen to Dershowitz rant about "you're an anti-semite?" It's not that he was afraid of Dershowitz, it's that Dershowitz is an anti-intellectual pundit, not a scholar. Carter received tough questions from STUDENTS, which was far more meaningful than listening to some intellectually-disputed (read up on the debate of the factual accuracy of "The Case For Israel) Harvard-lawyer yell at him. I, for one, am extremely happy Dershowitz was not yelling at Carter for an hour. As a student, it was more meaningful.

David Sternlight

posted 3/02/07 @ 4:22 PM EST

[QUOTE]Carter WAS afraid to debate Dershowitz. Q.E.D.[/QUOTE]


"No he wasn't, Carter wanted to talk to students. "

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Although it is true that Carter was looking for a platform to push the ideas in his book, it is also true that he was afraid to debate Dershowitz. Subsequently he also refused to debate Dennis Ross, who has refuted Carter on several crucial points. Ross was present at the Clinton peace negotiations as negotiator, is a distinguished diplomat, and provided first-hand evidence, while Carter was not even there and relies on hearsay by other, minor figures.

No amount of smearing false characterization of Dershowitz (I heard his response to Carter and it was rational, factual, and measured as one would expect from a distinguished Law professor) can hide Carter's fear of exposure his own errors and outright misrepresentations, which undermine his entire case.

David Sternlight
Los Angeles

Michael Santomauro

posted 2/27/07 @ 9:41 AM EST

The Holocaust: Let's Hear Both Sides

Nearly everyone has heard that the Germans killed some six million Jews in Europe during the Second World War. American television, motion pictures, newspapers and magazines hammer away on this theme. In Washington, DC, an enormous official Holocaust Museum has been built.

Scholars Challenge Holocaust Story

During the past decade, though, more and more "revisionist" historians, including respected scholars such as Dr. Arthur Butz of Northwestern University, Prof. Robert Faurisson of the University of Lyon in France and best-selling British historian David Irving, have been challenging the widely-accepted extermination story.

They do not dispute the fact that large numbers of Jews were deported to concentration camps and ghettos, or that many Jews died or were killed during the Second World War. Revisionist scholars have, however, presented considerable evidence to show that there was no German program to exterminate Europe's Jews, that numerous claims of mass killings in "gas chambers" are false, and that the estimate of six million Jewish wartime dead is an irresponsible exaggeration.

Many Holocaust Claims Abandoned

Revisionists point out that the Holocaust story has changed quite a lot over the years. Many extermination claims that were once widely accepted have been quietly dropped in recent years.

At one time it was alleged that the Germans gassed Jews at Dachau, Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany proper. That part of the extermination story proved so untenable that it was abandoned more than 20 years ago.

No serious historian now supports the once supposedly proven story of "extermination camps" in the territory of the old German Reich. Even famed "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal has acknowledged that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." (note 1)

Prominent Holocaust historians now claim that masses of Jews were gassed at just six camps in what is now Poland: Auschwitz, Majdanek, Treblinka, Sobibor, Chelmno and Belzec. However, the "evidence" presented for "gassings" at these six camps is not qualitatively different than the "evidence" for alleged "gassings" at the camps in Germany proper.

At the great Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946 and during the decades following the end of the Second World War, Auschwitz (especially Auschwitz-Birkenau) and Majdanek (Lublin) were generally regarded as the most important "death camps." For example, the Allies alleged at Nuremberg that the Germans killed four million at Auschwitz and another 1.5 million at Majdanek. Today, no reputable historian accepts these fantastic figures.

In addition, more and more striking evidence has been presented in recent years that simply cannot be reconciled with the allegations of mass exterminations at these camps. For example, detailed aerial reconnaissance photographs taken of Auschwitz-Birkenau on several random days in 1944 (during the height of the alleged extermination period there) were made public by the CIA in 1979. They show no trace of the piles of corpses, smoking chimneys and masses of Jews awaiting death, all of which have been alleged and would have been clearly visible if Auschwitz had indeed been an extermination center.

We now also know that the postwar "confession" of Auschwitz commandant Rudolf H?ss, which is a crucial part of the Holocaust extermination story, is a false statement that was obtained by torture. (note 2)

Other Absurd Holocaust Claims

At one time it was also seriously claimed that the Germans exterminated Jews with electricity and steam, and that they manufactured soap from Jewish corpses. For example, at Nuremberg the United States charged that the Germans killed Jews at Treblinka, not in gas chambers, as is now claimed, but by steaming them to death in "steam chambers." (note 3)

Such bizarre stories have also been quietly abandoned in recent years.

Disease Claimed Many Inmates

The Holocaust extermination story is superficially plausible. Everyone has seen the horrific photos of dead and dying inmates taken at Bergen-Belsen, Nordhausen and other concentration camps when they were liberated by British and American forces in the final weeks of the war in Europe. These unfortunate people were victims, not of an extermination program, but of disease and malnutrition brought on by the complete collapse of Germany in the final months of the war. Indeed, if there had been an extermination program, the Jews found by Allied forces at the end of the war would have long since been killed.

In the face of the advancing Soviet forces, large numbers of Jews were evacuated during the final months of the war from eastern camps and ghettos to the remaining camps in western Germany. These camps quickly became terribly overcrowded, which severely hampered efforts to prevent the spread of epidemics. Furthermore, the breakdown of the German transportation system made it impossible to supply adequate food and medicine to the camps.

Captured German Documents

At the end of the Second World War, the Allies confiscated a tremendous quantity of German documents dealing with Germany's wartime Jewish policy, which was sometimes officially referred to as the "final solution." But not a single German document has ever been found which even refers to an extermination program. To the contrary, the documents clearly show that the German "final solution" policy was one of emigration and deportation, not extermination.

Consider, for example, the confidential German Foreign Office memorandum of August 21, 1942. (note 4) "The present war gives Germany the opportunity and also the duty of solving the Jewish problem in Europe," the memorandum notes. The policy "to promote the evacuation of the Jews [from Europe] in closest cooperation with the agencies of the Reichsf?hrer SS [Himmler] is still in force." The memo noted that "the number of Jews deported in this way to the East did not suffice to cover the labor needs."

The document quotes German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop as saying that "at the end of this war, all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was an unalterable decision of the F?hrer [Hitler] and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much."

The memorandum concludes by stating that the "deportations [of Jews to the East] are a further step on the way of the total solution ... The deportation to the [Polish] General Government is a temporary measure. The Jews will be moved on further to the occupied [Soviet] eastern territories as soon as the technical conditions for it are given."

This unambiguous document, and others like it, are routinely suppressed or ignored by those who uphold the Holocaust extermination story.

Unreliable Testimony

Holocaust historians rely heavily on so-called "survivor testimony" to support the extermination story. But such "evidence" is notoriously unreliable. As one Jewish historian has pointed out, "most of the memoirs and reports [of "Holocaust survivors"] are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." (note 5)

Hitler and the 'Final Solution'

There is no documentary evidence that Adolf Hitler ever gave an order to exterminate the Jews, or that he knew of any extermination program. Instead, the record shows that the German leader wanted the Jews to leave Europe, by emigration if possible and by deportation if necessary.

A document found after the war in the files of the Reich Ministry of Justice records his thinking on the Jews. In the spring of 1942, State Secretary Schlegelberger noted in a memorandum that Hitler's Chief of Chancellery, Dr. Hans Lammers, had informed him: "The F?hrer has repeatedly declared to him [Lammers] that he wants to see the solution of the Jewish problem postponed until after the war is over." (note 6)

And on July 24, 1942, Hitler emphasized his determination to remove all Jews from Europe after the war: "The Jews are interested in Europe for economic reasons, but Europe must reject them, if only out of self-interest, because the Jews are racially tougher. After this war is over, I will rigorously hold to the view ... that the Jews will have to leave and emigrate to Madagascar or some other Jewish national state." (note 7)

Himmler's SS and the Camps

Jews were an important part of Germany's wartime labor force, and it was in Germany's interest to keep them alive.

The head of the SS camp administration office sent a directive dated Dec. 28, 1942, to every concentration camp, including Auschwitz. It sharply criticized the high death rate of inmates due to disease, and ordered that "camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps." Furthermore, it ordered: "The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants ... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible."
Finally, the directive stressed that "The Reichsf?hrer SS [Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced." (note 8)

The head of the SS department that supervised the concentration camps, Richard Gluecks, sent a circular letter to each camp commandant dated January 20, 1943. In it he ordered: "As I have already pointed out, every means must be used to lower the death rate in the camp." (note 9)

Six Million?

There is no real evidence for the incessantly repeated claim that the Germans exterminated six million Jews. It is clear, though, that millions of Jews "survived" German rule during the Second World War, including many who were interned in Auschwitz and other so-called "extermination camps." This fact alone should raise serious doubts about the extermination story.

A leading newspaper of neutral Switzerland, the daily Baseler Nachrichten, carefully estimated in June 1946 that no more than 1.5 million European Jews could have perished under German rule during the war. (note 10)

One-Sided 'Holocaustomania'

Even after more than 40 years, the stream of Holocaust films and books shows no sign of diminishing.

This relentless media campaign, which Jewish historian Alfred Lilienthal calls "Holocaustomania," portrays the fate of the Jews during the Second World War as the central event of history. There is no end to the heavy-handed motion pictures, the simplistic television specials, the vindictive hunt for "Nazi war criminals," the one-sided "educational courses," and the self-righteous appearances by politicians and celebrities at Holocaust "memorial services."

Britain's chief rabbi, Immanuel Jakobovits, has accurately described the Holocaust campaign as "an entire industry, with handsome profits for writers, researchers, film-makers, monument builders, muse-um planners and even politicians." He added that some rabbis and theologians are "partners in this big business." (note 11)

Non-Jewish victims just don't merit the same concern. For example, there are no American memorials, "study centers," or annual observances for Stalin's victims, who vastly outnumber Hitler's.

Who Benefits?

The perpetual Holocaust media blitz is routinely used to justify enormous American support for Israel and to excuse otherwise inexcusable Israeli policies, even when they conflict with American interests.

The sophisticated and well-financed Holocaust media campaign is crucially important to the interests of Israel, which owes its existence to massive annual subsidies from American taxpayers. As Prof. W.D. Rubinstein of Australia has candidly acknowledged: "If the Holocaust can be shown to be a ?Zionist myth,' the strongest of all weapons in Israel's propaganda armory collapses." (note 12)

Jewish history teacher Paula Hyman of Columbia University has observed: "With regard to Israel, the Holocaust may be used to forestall political criticism and suppress debate; it reinforces the sense of Jews as an eternally beleaguered people who can rely for their defense only upon themselves. The invocation of the suffering endured by the Jews under the Nazis often takes the place of rational argument, and is expected to convince doubters of the legitimacy of current Israeli government policy." (note 13)

One major reason that the Holocaust story has proven so durable is that the governments of the major powers also have a vested interest in maintaining it. The victorious powers of the Second World War -- the United States, Soviet Russia and Britain -- have a stake in portraying the defeated Hitler regime as negatively as possible. The more evil and satanic the Hitler regime appears, the more noble and justified seems the Allied cause.

For many Jews, the Holocaust has become both a flourishing business and a kind of new religion, as noted Jewish author and newspaper publisher Jacobo Timerman points out in his book, The Longest War. He reports that many Israelis, using the word Shoah, which is Hebrew for Holocaust, joke that "There's no business like Shoah business." (note 14)

The Holocaust media campaign portrays Jews as totally innocent victims, and non-Jews as morally retarded and unreliable beings who can easily turn into murderous Nazis under the right circumstances. This self-serving but distorted portrayal is meant to strengthen Jewish group solidarity and self-awareness.

A key lesson of the Holocaust story for Jews is that non-Jews are never completely trustworthy. If a people as cultured and as educated as the Germans could turn against the Jews, so the thinking goes, than surely no non-Jewish nation can ever be completely trusted. The Holocaust message is thus one of contempt for humanity.

Holocaust Hatemongering

The Holocaust story is sometimes used to promote hatred and hostility, particularly against the German people as a whole, eastern Europeans and the leadership of the Roman Catholic church.

The well-known Jewish writer, Elie Wiesel, is a former Auschwitz inmate who served as chairman of the official U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council. He received the 1986 Nobel Peace Prize. This dedicated Zionist wrote in his book, Legends of Our Time: "Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German." (note 15)

Let Both Sides Be Heard

As even defenders of the orthodox extermination story concede, skepticism about the Holocaust story has grown dramatically in recent years.

Responding to this trend, officials in some countries -- including France and Israel -- have made it a crime to challenge the Holocaust story. Revisionists in France and Germany have been heavily fined for their views. Teachers in the United States and elsewhere have been summarily dismissed from their positions for daring to doubt the Holocaust story. Criminal thugs have brutally attacked prominent Holocaust revisionists; one was even killed for his views.

In spite of desperate restrictions on free speech, frantic media attacks against those who "deny the Holocaust," a seemingly perpetual Holocaust media campaign, and even physical attacks, considerable headway is being made. More and more thoughtful people in the United States and around the world are willing to express doubts about at least some of the more sensational Holocaust claims.

Summary

The Holocaust extermination story is breaking down as suppressed evidence becomes better known, and as more people become aware of the facts about what is certainly the most hyped and politicized chapter of modern history.

Artificially maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents genuine reconciliation and lasting peace.

Revisionism promotes historical awareness and international understanding. That's why the work of the Institute for Historical Review is so important and deserves your support.

Notes
1. Books and Bookmen, London, April 1975, p. 5, and in Stars and Stripes (Europe), Jan. 24, 1993, p. 14.
2. Ruper Butler, Legions of Death (England: 1983), pp. 235-237, and R. Faurisson, Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1986-87, pp. 389-403.
3. Nuremberg document PS-3311 (USA-293). IMT blue series, Vol. 32, pp. 153-158; IMT, Vol. 3, pp. 566- 568.; NMT green series, Vol. 5, pp. 1133, 1134.
4. Nuremberg document NG-2586-J. NMT green series, Vol. 13, pp. 243-249.
5. Samuel Gringauz in Jewish Social Studies (New York), January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
6. Nuremberg document PS-4025. D. Irving, G?ring: A Biography (New York: 1989), p. 349.
7. H. Picker, Hitlers Tischgesprche im F?hrerhaupt quartier (Stuttgart: 1976), p. 456.
8. Nuremberg document PS-2171, Annex 2; NC and A red series, Vol. 4, pp. 833-834.
9. Nuremberg document NO-1523; NMT green series, Vol. 5, pp. 372-373.
10. Baseler Nachrichten, June 13, 1946, p. 2.
11. H. Shapiro, "Jakobovits," Jerusalem Post (Israel), Nov. 26, 1987, p. 1.
12. Quadrant (Australia), Sept. 1979, p. 27.
13. New York Times Magazine, Sept. 14, 1980, p. 79.
14. The Longest War (New York: Vintage, 1982), p. 15.
15. Legends of Our Time (New York: Schocken Books, 1982), chap. 12, p. 142.


Professor F. Littell has said "You can't discuss the truth of the holocaust. That is a distortion of the concept of free speech. The United States should emulate West Germany, which outlaws such exercises."--Mind-boggling! Don't you think?
http://64.143.9.197/jhr/v11/v11p365_Bennett.html

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Chinese Axiom:

When things are investigated, knowledge is extended. When knowledge is extended, the will becomes sincere. When the will is sincere, the mind is correct.
When the mind is correct, the self is cultivated.

--Confucius



Peace.

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"Deep down, I believe that a little anti-Semitism is a good thing for the Jews - reminds us who we are." --Jay Lefkowitz (NYT Magazine. Feb.12, 1995. Page 65).

Jay Lefkowitz is now Deputy Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy.

A sick man! Don't you think?

James Sanders

posted 3/02/07 @ 3:27 PM EST

Michael Santomauro is the same guy that posted this:
http://www.thejusticeonline.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticleComments&ustory_id=8b85d5e2-6f74-4c6e-89ff-68dc8a087764#5f060d2e-8574-4830-9bfb-e074aaa23cac

Had he not written that other rant bashing jews, I may have thought he was just a misguided person who was mislead. But it's clear he just hates jews. Though I still think it's good that the Justice let both of his comments in. That way people can point rip his two tirades to shreds by showing that he has his facts wrong (rather than just calling him an anti-Semite--which he is).

But to sum up his other post...Jews are 11th biggest non white ethnic group (not religious?) but most other ones don't count cause they are white? or sort of white? so Jews are really one of the biggest and more powerful and very rich and they control everything because they are big and rich and some of them support Israel (paranoid much?).

Mark Surchin

posted 2/27/07 @ 3:24 PM EST

Am I reading too quickly, or is there in fact a long Holocaust "revisionist" letter to the editor posted above on the online edition of my alma mater's student newspaper of?

Holocaust denial is not a crime in my country (Canada) but depending on how the thoughts are expressed, it could constitute criminal "hate speech" under our Criminal Code. Not that that matters technically, as this is a US publication.

The bigger question that I have-and it is a BIG one.....is what editorial policy justifies publication of such a letter to the editor (including a link to a Holocaust "revisionist" website)?

I'm hoping the answer is that letters are not pre-approved but that once this is brought to your attention you will remove it.

David Sternlight

posted 2/27/07 @ 6:02 PM EST

Although Holocaust denial is protected by free speech provisions of the US Constitution, its consequences may not be immune to civil suits for damages, particularly the pain and suffering caused by such denial to Holocaust survivors and perhaps the general Jewish and even non-Jewish public.

Can you say "class action suit"? I knew you could.

David Sternlight
Los Angeles

Note: The writer is not an attorney and the above reflects personal opinion, not legal advice.

Mark Surchin

posted 2/28/07 @ 10:44 AM EST

People are free to believe that the Holocaust did not occur or to disagree with parts of the generally accepted narrative. That's no different that people being free to believe that the Earth is flat. They are wrong but they have the right to be wrong.

What this is about is whether people should be allowed to express their beliefs, however discreditable or offensive, in public places such as newspapers and websites.

I think the answer depends on the circumstances. In most case the beliefs seem tied to anti-Semitism pure and simple and/or meant to de-legitimize the State of Israel. In the case of the latter, the idea is that Israel only came into existence due to the Holocaust (I don't think this is true) and, accordingly, if the Holocaust did not occur in the manner that people generally accept, Israel as a State is illegitimate. Let's be clear as to that motivation being part of the rationale for the argument being made, as clearly is the case when it comes to the President of Iran.

David Sternlight

posted 2/28/07 @ 10:46 PM EST

A newspaper is not a public place. It is private property owned by the publisher. Selling or giving it away does not make it "public property". There is no right of free speech in such private property; freedom of the press applies only to those who own presses, and is a Constitutional protection against government censorship, not censorship by the owner of the press. Owners of presses have every right to publish or refuse to publish anything legal that they wish, just as one is free to ignore it.

Thus when it comes to publication policy for "The Justice" the matter is up to the editorial board, and not you or I. If they wish to publish, or refuse to publish holocaust denial that is their right, subject only to laws relating to the consequences for publishing, for example, libelous material. If one thinks such publication is a bad idea, one is free to object or request as some here have done. One is not, however, free to demand, since demand implies a legal right.

Finally, I cannot resist commenting on the use of the word "narrative". That is, though one may not be aware of it, an insidious piece of anti-Israeli propaganda. The idea of "my truth" and "your truth", although an element of Arab culture, is not part of Western culture. We believe in "THE truth" in the West, and any attempt to de-legitimize historical facts about, for example, Jewish history by labeling them "narrative" is unconscionable. Nothing personal--we too easily adopt linguistic practices of others often without examining what they mean or what they imply. As Orwell wisely pointed out, debasing meaning is part and parcel of totalitarianism, as we've seen repeatedly on the part of the far Left as deliberate strategy.

David Sternlight, Ph.D.
Los Angeles



Originally posted by

Mark Surchin

People are free to believe that the Holocaust did not occur or to disagree with parts of the generally accepted narrative. That's no different that people being free to believe that the Earth is flat. They are wrong but they have the right to be wrong.

What this is about is whether people should be allowed to express their beliefs, however discreditable or offensive, in public places such as newspapers and websites.

I think the answer depends on the circumstances. In most case the beliefs seem tied to anti-Semitism pure and simple and/or meant to de-legitimize the State of Israel. In the case of the latter, the idea is that Israel only came into existence due to the Holocaust (I don't think this is true) and, accordingly, if the Holocaust did not occur in the manner that people generally accept, Israel as a State is illegitimate. Let's be clear as to that motivation being part of the rationale for the argument being made, as clearly is the case when it comes to the President of Iran.
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